Up until now, Bryant’s life has been dominated by more scholarly matters. Now that time exists, things should be returning to a manageable pace.
How many different consumer online platforms does Microsoft have right now?
- Bing
- MSN
- Windows Live
- XBOX Live
- Zune Marketplace
That’s just a quick braindump; there are probably more, but for the purposes of my quick bout with insanity, this should suffice. The way I see it, Microsoft is rapidly losing branding focus, and while this doesn’t sound like something that matters in this age of Web 2.name-it-whatever, it is an issue for Microsoft, and it extends beyond the world of Microsoft’s online properties.
Jump to see why I think this is becoming a problem. Yeah, it’s long, but this is one of the few times when an overly long post is justified.
Bing, MSN, and Windows Live share the same origin, which is to say, they all came from The Microsoft Network. MSN came about as a name because it used to be an ISP, though that’s in the distant online past. Later, MSN transformed into a general online content and services platform, with MSN Messenger, the MSN launch page, MSN Search, et al. finding themselves all a part of one platform.
Windows Live found its way into existence after being toyed around as “start.com” (which you’ll now notice redirects to Bing) and later coming into existence as just plain “Live” before becoming Windows Live down the road. While MSN was designed to deliver predefined content much like Yahoo’s default portal, the idea behind Live was to deliver a personalized services experience, from a customizable launch page to various user services such as Messenger. The justification for the Windows Live branding was that Windows Live as a platform was an extension of the Windows experience.
Bing was officially launched June 3, 2009. Before Bing, Microsoft’s search efforts started under MSN before progressing to Live, Windows Live, and then back to Live again in the form of “Live Search". The name itself was chosen because the guys with Kumo (the testing name for Bing) “needed a brand that was as fresh and new as [their] approach. It needed to be like the product — optimized for the Internet.” In other words, it’s yet another web 2.0 name, though thankfully, I seem to have at least been somewhat wrong about the name being a major problem.
So, the end result of this is a jumbled series of online platforms which accomplish only marginally different tasks. MSN is a generic online launch page, while Bing is Microsoft’s version of the plain search page. The customizable launch page concept is now kinda-sorta over at home.live.com, while any further-personal services and extra Windows apps from Microsoft have been tucked under the Windows Live brand name. I can see the logic, but unless Microsoft’s goal is to make some properties look like they’re from Microsoft while making others look as distant as possible while still retaining some association, this sort of fractured online presence just feels much more confusing than it needs to be.
Do you see Google squaring fundamentally similar yet differently functional apps away under vastly different names? GMail (Google Mal), Google Shopping, Google News, iGoogle, Google Google Google Google Great you get the idea. They’re all people-services, and as a result, they all share the same root name. There was a time when Google was slightly branding-confuzzled (froogle), but they’ve rightfully straightened out.
The reason for why I’m busy throwing gray matter at the wall this morning, though, is that there’s just no reason for the Windows brand to fall victim to the same fate. Once upon a time, Windows meant something. The name was directly related to the concept behind the user interface itself, and this has held steadfastly true (the exception being Windows Live, but Windows Live was meant as a tie-in for Windows users) up until Mobile World Congress this year.
Windows Phone 7 is exactly the kind of gradual brandicide that Microsoft really doesn’t need to be committing, whether it’s against Windows or against Zune. I’m inclined to see it as being the eventual downfall of the term “Windows” as a meaningful Microsoft brand for one simple reason:
Do you see any windows in the UI?
Nope. Neither do I. In fact, I see a data-centric user interface in Windows Phone 7, whereas the entire user experience in Windows (including Windows Mobile) up until now has been function/application-centric. With a UI which is so fundamentally different from the original concept of the brand itself, what’s the point of even calling it “Windows”-anything at all? There are no windows, there is no traditional window-oriented multitasking, and the entire UI is many miles away from the Windows concept. In fact, I can explain exactly where this name came from in a few simple points:
- 7 has proven to be worth something in the consumer’s mind thanks to the success of Windows 7.
- Windows 7 and Windows Phone 7 sound similar
- A name close to Windows Mobile was needed so that people could associate it with its completely unrelated cousin without reminding people of the horrors of the old Windows Mobile platform, hence why it’s now Windows Phone.
That’s it. Microsoft essentially decided to take the cheap road and draw heavily from other successful brands despite simultaneously butchering the inherent meaning in the most important name in Microsoft’s history. Whether this was or wasn’t the conscious reason is beside the point; this is absolutely why the name was chosen.
Seriously, do you see any windows in that UI?
Speculation that Microsoft would release a Zune phone, in my opinion, was 100% correct. The only difference is that Microsoft decided to stay away from the Zune name in order to ensure its short-term success. The Windows Phone 7 UI is brilliant in execution, but the problem is that both the name and the UI concept are a huge risk. If Windows Phone 7’s roll-out doesn’t go as planned, if apps stay limited (Zune HD is a great example), or if Microsoft flubs something up down the line beyond Windows Phone 7 (think Windows Phone 8), more than just that brand will be compromised. Furthermore, if Microsoft proves yet again to know what its doing with its mobile division upon the release of Windows Phone 8, 9, etc., then the brand will further dilute.
Microsoft needs to sort its branding priorities. In the online sector, I can understand the split between Windows Live and Bing, but I see no reason for MSN to be separate from either platform. It’s so closely related to both Windows Live and Bing that it can go under either as another subordinate property. On the flip side, keeping branding separate between Microsoft’s mobile and desktop properties would almost definitely be a better idea: Zune HD is a fantastic device which suffers from terrible advertising, while Windows Phone 7 is definitely not a Windows Phone at all. Zune Phone or Zune Mobile would almost definitely have been better names for the OS itself given the interface similarities (heck, just call it Zune OS. It’s not as if people don’t already know that Zune is a Microsoft mobile property anyway). Microsoft has the backing to make sure the Zune name becomes successful, but Microsoft’s marketing teams feel so compelled to keep some of their brands unnecessarily interwoven in order to ensure short-term success that they’re doing damage to the very foundation of the brands in question.
While Microsoft’s mobile product development teams did indeed have the guts to try something new and go metro, Microsoft’s mobile marketing teams seem to be unwilling to take risks (conversely, Microsoft’s online branding teams seem to be taking too many).
In short, name your similar apples apples and your similar oranges oranges, but don’t name your apples and oranges peaches.
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Bryant – Not sure why Windows Phone could be potentially harmful to the Windows name. The Windows brand has been through the worst period in it’s history (in the general public’s eye) with Vista and Windows Mobile 6.x. Thoroughly hammered in the press, and trashed by Apple constantly in commercials. The brand, though, seems to have transcended the negative publicity. Sure, Mac OS X has gained a couple of points in marketshare, but Windows is still >90% of the market. Mindshare is on the rebound with Windows 7. I don’t see why Microsoft WOULDN’T leverage the name for Windows Phone. Zune is dead in the water from a device perspective. I own one, and love it, but face it, it’s never gonna be a device brand as popular as iPod. I think they are right to kill off the device and sell it as a service on a Windows Phone branded device (along with Xbox, and Windows).
As for why it should be called “Windows” Phone when there are not any Windows present, I’d guess that MSFT would argue that: 1) it’s providing a window into your data; 2) that the window is larger than the device itself, hence the “panoramic” view. I think the MSFT images showing the device with the UI exploded out the sides demonstrates this well, that the entire left-to-right thing is the window that you view a portion at a time. I could take or leave it either way, but I don’t think Zune Phone would sell the platform, and yet another new name would probably leave the platform dead in the water. In terms of operating systems, MSFT has been consistent with using Windows as the brand across nearly all classes of devices for over 2 decades. Windows 3.x, 9x, NT, CE, Embedded, and so on.
I dunno, if I was Microsoft, and making what by all accounts is a last ditch effort to maintain and grow relevance in the mobile space, I’d use the most powerful brand I’ve got.
Well the thing with brand names is that you can’t just call anything any random name. You can see some amount of strategy with the Bing name and with the Windows Live name, but there doesn’t seem to be any reason for keeping MSN as its own property.
Ditto goes for Windows Phone 7. The Windows name is attributed to a certain feel and to certain capabilities. Calling anything “Windows” just serves to destroy that uniform look and feel, which erodes familiarity. That’s the problem.
MSN is a content portal.
Windows Live are services that provide an extension to Windows.
Bing is a search engine.
How is that confusing?
Windows Phone 7 is the successor to Windows Mobile, the last version of which was 6.5 – in the same way that Mac OS X is the successor to the Mac OS, despite sharing none of the underpinnings.
As for the name “Windows”, I’d argue that WP7S has windows in the same way WinMo had windows, except WinMo had explicit titlebars to show that they’re windows. Nothing’s really changed in that regard.
………….the forums are still down
@stitch they’ve been up since 3.
@MarkKB I fully understand the roles of the three properties. My point is that there’s no reason for them to be three separate properties because MSN can easily fit under, say, Bing without any problems a la iGoogle or Google News. Keeping them separate leads to confusion amongst laypeople, especially those who I’ve had the pleasure of speaking with.
Mac OS and Mac OS X still carried the same general user interface design despite flushing the internals. Windows Phone 7 is so different from Windows Mobile 6.5 in how it fundamentally operates (Windows has always been a function-centric brand up until WP7) that it shouldn’t carry the Windows name at all. It doesn’t have windows because that’s not how it works. In WP7, each task dominates the stage; there is no function-centric multitasking as Windows has allowed since its inception.
That’s the crux of my argument.
Bryant, I mentioned this over Twitter, but here goes.
It hasn’t lost any meaning. There are still Windows in this UI. Each one of those task panes (named since they resemble window panes) is a view out onto your content, just like a window out into the world.
The metaphor still holds, thus it still has value
Simplest explanation I can give that still makes sense.
Only because you’re butchering what windows in Windows actually means
* Bing
* MSN
* Windows Live
* XBOX Live
* Zune Marketplace
Bing is a search engine. I have since made it my default since I’m not trusting Google. Its beyond what a search engine is all about. The ads are unique and entertaining. Its also more personal, as you can search for something, and find related searches and now, you can find recent searches.
I remember when my family got its first computer in mid 1999. first internet service we ever had was MSN. I remember when MSN was at its hight back in 2003/2004. Even remember January 2003 or 2004 when MSN had its first redesign (ditched the purple/blue for the more XP media center 2005 like color scheme. Flash forward to 2010 and its the same old thing, just refresh to a web 2.0 fell. Do you remember the old msn promos from 1995? It was like an oscar party?
Windows Live. alright. Even after five years I still don’t quite get it. Windows Live? So eveything about windows will be live and up to date? May be that was the point. I do agree though. MSN is a great content portal. Surly they could have come up with a more unique name for “windows Live”
Same goes for Xbox Live. though it makes more sence in gamine
Zune marketplace. Alright, this is an name that is very outdated. Hell, there has not even been any marketing for the zune market place, let alone the zune player.
As for the whole “windows phone” debate. If you look at the iPhone, it uses a mobile, striped down version of mac OSX, doubled “iphone OS” Its still OSX. Same goes for Windows phone. Its ment to be a companion for your Windows 7 laptop or desktop, and if done right both should integrate and stream sleamsly.
Not really butchering it.
Windows itself has been evolving to become more data-centric over the last decade.
This is just taking that work and finally applying it to the mobile arena.
Haven’t you noticed how lately Microsoft has been working to move us away from the idea of standard data storage and move us more to virtual/abstract data storage concepts?
Libraries are a big part of that strategy. They move us away from the idea of having different locations for everything and having a central data store that we look into to find our content.
This is the same idea, moved to a more mobile platform. Taking away the need for a traditional file browser and moving to an abstracted data store with views onto our content.
I’d be surprised if they don’t really play up this metaphor in Windows 8 to be honest.
Gotta disagree pretty much completely. Microsoft tried the unified branding strategy with Windows Live. It blew. Confused the shit out of everyone. Now different products have different names, SIMPLE names; you say them, and people know exactly what product you’re talking about.
The only one I sort of agree with is Windows Phone 7/Zune Phone. But it’s not brandicide in this case, rather, it’s definitely a case of brand recognition. People know Windows. Immediately recognizable. “Windows Phone? Oh, Microsoft must make that” (next logical conclusion – “Oh, I guess it works well with Windows”). Or at least, that’s Microsoft’s strategy. Zune doesn’t have the clout/brand recognition in Microsoft’s eye to launch as a major platform.
Windows Phone 7 Series. While it’s quite a mouthful, it’s no a bad name. Why? As someone said before, it provides windows on your data, and the ‘Metro’ concept is like a window (the exploded phone). Basically what was said above. Also, the 7 not only plays of the successful Windows 7, but also provides a nice succession from Windows Mobile 6 (6 to 7) which is good. And lastly, people still will think of it as Windows Mobile, since it will be a way to continue to access your Windows data while on the go. So I don’t totally agree with you on this point.
I’ve never owned a Zune player, so I’m kind of in deep water here, but doesn’t Zune kind of sort of support applications and data, or is it just a music player? What exactly does it do? Does it tie in to a marketplace where you can buy apps or something? I guess I’m just a walking example…Zune is not a good brand…no one really recognizes it anyways. So I would say just fade Zune away, and any future devices that would have been a ‘Zune’ just push under the WinPho7 moniker.
And as to Live, MSN, and Bing…why exactly does Live try to have this thing like iGoogle when MSN has the same thing. Make ‘Live’ (Rename it from windows live, since I agree that’s just brandicide) a program-web interaction thing. What I mean is Windows Live has all these great programs for online stuff like messenger and mail, and MSN has all this stuff online. So tie them together really tight under the Live moniker and you’ve got your data in the cloud with you but also in an application on your computer. So then MSN would be the ‘web half’ of ‘Live’, and former Windows Live would be the local applications half of the new ‘Live’
Bing, well, Bing is good where it is…leave Bing alone, but completely drop live search…please! That never worked. And as to XBox live or whatever…I’ve never used it but make it tie in to live (above) and you’re good.
And lastly, Windows 7 (jumping to another issue here relating to Microsoft) has WAY to many Windows editions. If anything’s confusing, that is. We’ve got Home Premium, Home Basic, Win7 Starter, Windows 7 Business/Ultimate. And does anyone really know what are the different features of each one? Microsoft should, first of all, in regard to the ‘basic versions’ just give developing markets the full Windows 7, instead of a stripped-down, fake OS. And in regards to Ultimate…if anyone wants to buy those extra features they can pay for them separately. In other words, give every person a Home Premium version, which would just be ‘normal’ and then if anyone wants the Ultimate features, then they buy them separately in a bundle.
One last diatribe here…Office Live. Office live has the potential to be a HUGE, HUGE, service. How many people use ‘Live’, and how many people use Office? Put them together and you’ve got this amazing, online documents suite, similar to Google Docs (and Microsoft does own some online document editing services, and they’re good too!). That’s what you’d logically expect. Instead, office live is something about a website and small businesses. Office was such a great name for a word processing suite but instead you’ve killed it by confusing us about small business stuff on Office live. Seriously Microsoft. If you give us half of what Google Docs is and put it under Office live, I’ll be happy. And in my opinion Office and Live isn’t brandicide because it’s really tying the two brands together in a good way. [EDIT: Office Live does seem to have some document editing stuff, but you've got to have this Office Live ID (which doesn't seem to be a normal Live ID) or a small business or something. It's very confusing. So even if they have the functionality, they confuse people about it.]
OK, I’m off the soapbox…wonder if MS ever reads stuff like this…hope they do.
Given Microsoft’s branding history, I’d say they did fairly well- even moreso since dropping “Series” from the name. Granted, “Zune Phone” would be more fitting, given the UX, but at least it’s not “Microsoft Windows Mobile 7 for Smartphones and PocketPCs, Standard/Professional Edition.”
I always figured all the child brands such as xbox, zune, bing, etc was their way of squirming their way around anti-trust laws and other related issues.